Saturday, April 3, 2010

Our Lady of Emmitsburg & Five Points Important to Remember

Important to remember are the following 5 points regarding the ongoing occurrences of the private revelations associated with the apparitions of Our Lady of Emmitsburg, which have been, since their inception over 22 years ago, perpetually and pervasively scrutinized:

[1] Full Obedience to the Church
Believers in Our Lady of Emmitsburg are verifiably obedient to the Church and the directive of the fallible June 7, 2003 Decree, most especially and visibly, the visionary and prophet and her family. No one has proven otherwise and, most notably, the Church has not found or proved any believer to be disobedient. But rather, the Church has even mentioned that to the best of their knowledge, the prophet and believers are practicing Catholics in good standing with the Church.

[2] Nothing Contrary to Faith and Morals
Nothing in the content of any of the messages proceeding from the private revelations has ever been found to be irrefutably and certifiably contrary to Church teaching on Faith and Morals. Falsities and fallacy aside, no one, including the Church’s investigative Commission of Enquiry, has ever proven that any content found within any of the messages of these private revelations is contrary to Church teaching on Faith or Morals. This is most significant because for over 20 years the mystical phenomena have been under ongoing close scrutiny by many, including the Church.

[3] Attested Legitimacy - No Fraud
Neither the Church, nor any other party has ever proven Gianna Talone-Sullivan, the visionary and prophet, to be a fraud for any reason. No one has proven fraud attributable to psychological instability, physiological bases, or moral turpitude (deception, lies, greed, avarice, fame/notoriety, etc). In fact, the medical and scientific evidence indicate possible authenticity; as do as well: her moral character, psychological profile and mental health, and her physiological condition. The recent medical electroencephalogram testing confirms earlier results that the not-normal-to-human-existence ecstasies are consistent with authenticity. Also, proof does not exist that the visionary and prophet is perpetrating lies or participating in deliberate or inadvertent, vincible or invincible deception.

[4] Questionable Church Handling and Investigation
Eminent Marian and mystical theologians, academicians, intellectuals and others, both lay persons and religious, have already documented and are becoming increasingly aware of more and more fallacy and injustice in the handling of the private revelations. Many of them conclude it is necessary that a new investigation be conducted as a matter of urgency. Their concerns include invalid reasoning in arguments, false assertions, violations of personal and civil rights, as well as many public and private examples of calumny, slander, defamation, abuse, and profane and unjustified vilification of the visionary and those who believe the private revelations associated with Our Lady of Emmitsburg to be authentic. 

[5] Prophecies Upheld Valid
As regards the predictions detailing future events and happenings, none of the prophecies have been determined to be invalid. No one has ever demonstrated conclusive proof, or supplied valid reasons why any of the prophecies can be deemed with certitude to be: “not possible to ever be fulfilled.” In fact, more and more of the many prophecies are being confirmed as fulfilled and many indicate to be unfolding now. While some persons have labeled some of the prophecies that involve the future: “apocalyptic,” no one has proven that any of them are contrary to Church teaching on dogma, faith, or morals. The Church has approved many apparitions as worthy of human credence having similar revelations which might also be termed apocalyptic. By simply terming or labeling prophecies “apocalyptic” does not proof of an invalidation make.

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  1. Bravo! This makes sense to me. I have experienced many wonderful and miraculous things through Our Lady of Emmitsburg and I cannot in good conscience deny her presence. It would be a lie! And since nothing has been shown to be contrary to Church faith and morals, I have a right to continue to believe. Because the Archbishop has decided to continue the Cardinal's opinion, regardless of the evidence to support Our Lady, does not mean that it is condemned.

    I know that there have been so many unjust attacks against Our Lady of Emmitsburg, especially by the Church, who should be supporting Our Lady's appearances, rather than attacking her. The fruit was so abundant when St. Joseph's prayer group was active, also when the prayer group was later continued at Lynnfield Complex, that there is no justifiable basis for anything but support. There were conversions and healings, and other small gifts that helped people to strengthen their faith. Apparently, these are things the Church hierarchy wants to avoid at all costs - they have worked so hard to stop everything!

    I understand that the Diocese officials will not even hear the other side of the story by meeting with supporters - they are so intent upon keeping Our Lady silent - which is totally beyond understanding. This is not a frivolous activity - Our Lady always appears to warn us of danger - pleading with us to pray and change. It is most urgent!

    In light of the scandals & cover ups currently affecting our Church, it seems to me that attacking apparitions of Our Lady is small potatoes compared to what they should be paying attention to. They should instead listen to her messages to see how they could make beneficial changes.

    Our Lady has said that "They" (she includes Jesus) are not leaving so I hope that the Archbishop will give Her a fair hearing, which everyone deserves. Even the Blessed Mother!

  2. Well it's about time I read something positive about Our Lady's appearances in Emmitsburg. I was present at both St. Joseph's on Thursday nights and the Lynfield and can personally testify to the many good fruits. I saw with my own two eyes people returning to God through lifestyle and the sacraments of the church. I also witnessed one of the worst things I have ever seen and that was the concerted effort of the church in Baltimore to discredit the appartions of Our Lady with lies, slander and a complete distortion of the truth. Cardinal Keeler and Archbishop O'Brien should be ashamed of themselves.

  3. With respect to the the current ongoing clergy celebacy crisis (which includes some cases even involving heinous crimes against children and teenagers), some authors speak of documented evidence of Bishop's resisting and evading honest and open dialog resulting that the Church, both as an institution and as the mystical Body of Christ, is done detriment and disservice in many ways. These authors speak of a clear pattern:


    In the case of Emmitsburg, the Denial stage is ongoing: No one in authority can explain the inconsistencies of the obviously prejudiced and flawed investigation.

    It is obvious that there is delay in redressing the wrongs done and correcting the errors made. Many letters having questions and clarification requests simply go un-responded to, or the responses are brief patronizing canned form-letter-like statements that lord over the enquirer the authority: "We speak no more of this and you must cover this up too and speak no more of it - Oblige me and my personal opinion and whim now!"

    There are many examples now of defiance in supplying any meaningful response to the so very many legitimate and reasonable questions whose responded to answers will quite obviously demonstrate the travesty of justice the sham commission and the Baltimore Archdiocese have perpetrated against innocent persons.

    As far as deception there are already signs of a cover-up to protect "reputation". In fact, constructing a "reputation" seems a goal so that those who would later reveal the truth find covered trails, shredded documents, and deceased perpetrators.

  4. As regards Our Lady's appearances in Emmitsburg, I have some witnesses, observations, concerns and comments that I would like to put forward:

    So many have said in my hearing that the entire OLOE apparition issue is just a personality cult for/about Gianna. When this occurs, I always make sure to explain to them that - for me, the reality is that I had heard very little about Gianna in 1990’s except to read of her experiences with the other visionaries in Scottsdale. Therefore, I certainly did not come here to acquaint myself with Gianna.

    Personally, I do not - as a rule, get locutions. Even so, I was asked to come to Emmitsburg by Our Lady & Our Lord while in Adoration at my parish in the Washington DC, suburbs. I asked and asked for discernment and clarification. This call continued to be quite clear. This call was also quite compelling. After this, our family began to look very seriously at relocating our second home to the Emmitsburg/Carroll Valley area. Our Lord had said that it was God’s Will, and that “With my Mother on the case it will happen very quickly indeed!”, which is precisely what happened. I have also (unmerited) been given the grace to have complete faith in this visionary and these apparitions of Our Lady.

    Since then, there have been so many unusual circumstances and occasions in which I have been given direct confirmation from completely different sources of the reality of the presence of Our Mother here in Emmitsburg, and only one of them has a direct relationship with Gianna herself (and definitely may not have known that what was said between us would confirm to me what I already believed)! I guarantee to you that now, there are few humans whose opinions or angry biases could now shake my absolute faith in this site. In short, I do not believe in Our Lady’s presence here because I want to believe it or need to believe it. Rather, I believe it because Our Mother has verified to me directly that she is here in Emmitsburg.

    Observations, concerns and comments will come next.

  5. Observations:
    Interesting how the places which are ‘bearing little fruit’ are being diminished. Tragic, but interesting. The last election proved revelatory regarding how people really live and breathe their Catholic faith.

    Sadly, I remember how so many of the sisters at the Provincial House during this last election were extremely pro-Democratic (despite the clear death-culture agenda of this party - could it have BEEN any clearer?). I hope this is not true, but recently I have heard that there is no more funding to keep the Provincial House open anymore, so the sisters will have to move from Emmitsburg back to the Mother House in Indiana.

    Secondly, there is the question of St. Josephs in Emmitsburg. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of that parish but many good and dear friends are members. I question the reason that this parish has been compelled recently to put out an anonymous survey as to why mass attendance there has dwindled to 1/3 of its previous attendance. I ask myself if it may have anything to do with the pastor and his attitudes, which are very self-righteous, as well as occasionally irrational, angry & impatient? Is this parish now reaping the ‘fruit’ of this behavior, and of the actions of the Archdiocese?

    I am in a position to have heard of some - let us just say - less than ethical decisions - that Cardinal Keeler has made over the years, decisions that happened previous to any choices with which he may have been complicit regarding Gianna. So, I wonder what can have happened to the clergy most involved with the commission of investigation into the apparitions. Top Mariologists support Gianna’s position. Aside from all the fruits to which so many pilgrims can testify, how can that clerical team that investigated Gianna’s case, in all conscience, ignore documented scientific evidence that during an apparition, Gianna is in ecstasy? Brain waves cannot be forced into ecstasy-like emissions. Any scientist can verify this. I believe this is the reason that the Archdiocese has “strongly cautioned” (whatever THAT means), but not condemned these apparitions outright, as in the case of Bayside. After all, there were all too many irregularities, frauds and deceptions with this commission. Sins of omission can be extremely grave, and no matter how complicit they may have been (perhaps for material gains/advancement?) in not supporting Gianna in the face of that scientific evidence, at some point we all die; we all meet God. In view of the scrupulosity required for a commission to render a just judgment in a case such as this, ‘foolhardy’ does not even come close to a worthy description of their behavior from the long perspective of eternity.

    There is a humble, gentle and compassionate but compelling presence here in Emmitsburg. It is Our Mother and Our Lord. Our Lady has said to Gianna and to us that “She is not leaving.” So, we are not leaving.
    Joshua 24:15: “But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
    But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord."

  6. Does anyone know what happened with the effort to get St. Joseph to re-establish the Thursday prayer group? I know they sent around a survey about how to improve the church, and Our Lady of Emmitsburg believers were all suggesting that the Thursday group come back. Any word on whether that will happen?